>> i do not talk freely -- four years and are supported hillary clinton. after hillary withdrew, it was suggested to support then senator obama. he asked me what my chances were and i gave the usual stock answer. i gave a good answer, but i could not resist. i said, on the other hand, we would be a balanced ticket. he doesn't wear a flag penn -- flag pin and i do. i got off the phone up to 30 p.m. and at 2:31 p.m. i got a phone call from david axelrod and he said, i hope you know that no one in chicago thought that was funny. [laughter] in the book recounts that story. i said, david, you guys better get a sense of humor. you will never make it to november. and as i said in the but, they never did, but they needed to november just fine -- i said in the books, they never did, but they made it to november just fine. the reason i do not think it is in play is because you have not seen the romney campaign or crossroads of a dime on tv in philadelphia. if they thought it was winnable, with ohio -- if you lose ohio but win in pennsylvania, it is a wash. and you h